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Philipp Lenssen comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

"Hyperlinks in books?" This triggered something in my brain which made me realize Choose Your Own Adventure books were like that:
http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2005-03-09-n52.html

and curious? comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

This is purely annoying --- why is every tenth or so word highlighted with a light blue background? Perhaps the article explained the reasoning, I was not able to complete my read of the article.

I see the highlighting is pervasive throughout this site, not just this article.

What purpose is the highlighting? It is not a link? It is not a wiki entry?
- confused and annoyed

and curious? comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

Sorry if I seemed a little harsh in my previous message :(. I really don't understand why a good amount of text has a light blue background.

Paul comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

Good question. ;-) In short, I am simply highlighting keywords... But you could also consider it an experiment where some of the words or expressions highlighted call for deeper thinking on the reader's part; hyperlinks to more personal research and reflection. I was also curious to see how those highlighted words affect our reading? We spend hours reading online articles riddled with underlined hyperlinks, then designers borrow some of those clues for print design and so I was trying to imagine how the third step could look like, when web designers will start looking at those modified print designs for inpiration... I made the "blue" really light so that it would not impede the reading of the article. (however, RSS feed reading might prove a little more difficult). They are a nice little exercise in style, nice patterns appear, a way to render the block of text more dynamic... just experimenting.

spek comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

if the blue highlights were meant to be a style than perhaps you should rethink the relationship of your title/heading blue highlighting. just a thought on good hierarchy.

Paul comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

Don't be so strict. I enjoy a consistent hierarchy as well. This blue highlighting is for keywords or expressions too, as I said. Aren't titles keywords or expresssions?

Philipp Lenssen comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

Just to add my two cent, I found the blue highlight confusing as well. I thought they were links, and then I didn't understand at all what they were. I hope your experiment nears its end :)

paul haine comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

I'm going to add my name to the 'what's with the blue highlight?' list - I found it made the article harder to read, and I spent more time thinking of the highlights than I did the content.

rich comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

yeah, blue bold tags are too confusing: two reasons (personal): one, too many sites currently use it as a link indicator, and two, they're bold tags! what's wrong with making the type bold? you know, like you told the browser to do?

I like your experiment, it certainly made me think, but at the expense of reading your article (sorry). I think it might be the frequency of the keywords that helps to make me think they're links. At any rate, they look too much like "doing" elements than "reading" elements to my eyes.

anyway, /2c. will be coming by here again, though - thanks.

Philipp Lenssen comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

By the way, I actually switched from Firefox (my default browser) to IExplorer, because I thought something that was *supposed* to happen with the blue text I just couldn't see because I'm on Firefox... like, those DHTML thingies which aren't cross-browser. Oh well.

PS: I'm reading this from home, and now from work, so the forced decision between either "Subscribe" or "Unsubscribe" is a bit confusing, since I'm already subscribed, and I don't want to unsubscribe, or risk getting two emails! (Oh... well.)

viceroy321 comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

i too thought, there were links. BLUE is the wrong color for your purpose, try a light yellow.

Were these keywords autogenerated from your posting or did you indicate them with html ?

Paul comments on "Hyperlinks in Print II"

2004-10-31T05:20:11+00:00

Let's move on to:
http://www.hypulp.com/entries/fighting_highlighting.php

Jack Yan comments on "From Web to Print for TV2 Nettavisen"

2004-03-26T20:40:57+00:00

And there's another, launching a month before we did:

http://www.alwayson-network.com/

Jack Yan comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

Paul, I don't really mind it, but wonder how necessary it is. It's no so much the effect now, but the fact that the spacing of the letters is now affected by the darker bit.

I know, there's just no pleasing some people.

Jack Yan comments on "They know where we are!"

2004-04-06T13:00:33+00:00

I hate to think how it could be done without resorting to digital printing. However, great idea�especially given that this is a next logical step for print�even if quality could be compromised.

Jack Yan comments on "Hyperlinks in Print III"

2005-03-09T08:10:25+00:00

Very glad they have done this�there are pages in the Atlantic Monthly that are just plain dull. This beefs things up a bit and makes the ITC Bodoni text that much more easy to read. It's certainly not unattractive, regardless of the origin of the look; and far nicer than traditional foot- or endnoting.

KMB comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

It still disturbs the reading flow.

Try something like only to show the higlighted words by hovering the paragraph. So readers can choose wether they want to see them or not. It would be like adding the second layer on the bookpages presented in the "hyperlinks in print ii"-post.

paul haine comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

I still find it very distracting, and it seems fairly arbitrary as to what words/phrases are highlighted or not...I find myself trying to read the article then then wondering why words are highlighted and what the significance is, etc.

I think I see what what you're trying to do but I don't think it's working at all.

Jacob Rask comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

What!? I think it's wonderful. It really helps reading, and makes scanning of the article alot easier. I just open the page, and my brain automaticly registers the keywords of the article.

I'm definately implementing something like that on my blog. Probably even with a delicious-like weighter, so that if i do a double emphasize it will be a darker highlight color.

Philipp Lenssen comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

The new design is a little less confusing, but probably still to some degree. In any case, you can't just rely on the underlined links in context making the highlight effect clear, because you don't always have links -- like the article in questions which was previously discussed (it didn't have any links right within the post itself). I would suggest to simply make the highlight as bold, and also, to use a more standard font size here (this is another issue).

Jacob Rask comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

By the way, I prefered the previous style with light blue and no vertical band. But it looks like I'm in a minority here.

Rafael comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

Maybe this has something to do with your idea:
http://www.pontomidia.com.br/ricardo/colinks/english.html

herman comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

be unique...it is an interesting effect.

just maybe a couple of suggestions: limit the 'highlighting' per paragraph and use a highlight color (maybe a PMS 320, if not to strong).

the effect will be more as it is normally used...you read, highlight a section (line or lines), go back to reading. the emphasis will be more exacting.

not trying to dictate, just a suggestion.

ad comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

I find to highlight so many words detracts from the writing and actual meaning of the piece - they are too dominant - IT'S LIKE WRITING AN ENTIRE LETTER IN CAPS FOR EMPHASIS. The odd one or two or three highlighted words would provide the required emphasis - but with so many highlighted I find it difficult to read. Use the technique - but with restraint. As for scanning - I prefer the use of headings, pullquotes or a well written summary/blurb.

Dre comments on "fighting highlighting"

2005-03-14T10:04:06+00:00

At first I thought they were hyperlinks. It wasn't until I cracked open your css file that I discovered that you were simply using them for emphasis.

True, it does disrupt the flow, but there's something there. I like how they look and think that they would make good footnotes for co-linking (as per the pontomidia url above).

I'm glad someone is at least trying stuff with type online. Keep it up.

Jack Yan comments on "Web fonts used in print"

2004-03-23T14:10:33+00:00

Has anyone seen the new typefaces, previewed presently, for Windows 'Longhorn'? These are set to replace the core families, and all begin with c. They've all been designed by the top type designers: Luc(as) de Groot, Gary Munch, and others.

I wonder how it will take the general public to abuse them.

Jack Yan comments on "From Web to Print for TV2 Nettavisen"

2004-03-26T20:40:57+00:00

A couple here for fellow readers, to show that this is a growing trend. Synthesis magazine (www.synthesis.net) is another web-to-print, from Chico, Calif. Meanwhile, Lucire launches in Romania in print today. I don't know if that's a record of some sort, but AFAIK I haven't heard of the "web to print to print somewhere else" phenomenon.

Jack Yan comments on "theguardian redesign"

2005-09-20T18:21:03+00:00

Two saving graces (maybe?). I wonder if that�s a web-safe blue Mark Porter has used there in The Guardian. Christian Schwartz�s typeface, certainly, is one that would look good in an online form. I can imagine the PDFs looking sharp.

Jack Yan comments on "Hyperlinks in Print IV"

2005-09-23T10:43:17+00:00

Harper�s Bazaar was doing a bit of the thumbnail navigation, too�probably began about two or three years back when Kate Betts left.

Christian comments on "Barcodes linking to online content III"

2004-03-22T07:45:27+00:00

Adam, "QR Code is open in the sense that the specification of QR Code is disclosed and that the patent right owned by Denso Wave is not exercised"