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Consider this a list, not exhaustive, of character traits that Filipinos need to overcome if they want to emerge as a better society — definitely better than their current situation indicates. The quintessential example of this, of course, is to look at a daily commute and a typical traffic scene in the Philippines. What do they do? They all want to be first; if they spot a chance to overtake, they will. If you drive a car, if you use signal lights to turn or change lanes, a lot of drivers will not let you pass through.

How else to describe a people who are easily swayed by catchy one-liners and slogans and phrases? How else to describe a people who are better at reacting than responding; there is a difference between the two hint: Filipinos always need a hero who will deliver them from their self-made wretchedness. A man like Rodrigo Duterte appeals to a people who are unable to appreciate the importance of policing themselves. In addition, Filipinos have been so used to thinking that someone else will clean up after their own messes, they just leave their trash, literally.

That all too familiar feeling when someone with Filipino blood is successful abroad. Filipinos back home are quick to latch on to the success of that entity and claim it as their own, or worse, to put it up as proof that Filipinos are great and important members of the world community.

By the way, does it sound familiar to you that on occasion, Filipinos pay little attention to their talented countrymen until a foreign entity recognizes that talent? Filipinos have heard and been told too many times that they need to improve themselves and that they need to clean up their act if they want to get out of their current pathetic condition. They have one general reaction to all of these: All due to a paper thin ego that is better at dishing out than taking it.

Unfortunately, Filipinos put more emphasis on the tone and the perceived rudeness of the message more than on the actual content. Why such stubbornness or incorrigible self-righteousness persists, despite the disastrous outcome and results found in Filipino society, is something that has been baffling for many, many years. Continuous improvement is a hard chore for the Filipino because he is forced to think to make it work — something he does not like doing.

Mediocre mindset equals mediocre output equals substandard way of life. There are many talented Filipinos. What are some common reactions one can get if you try to present ideas to fellow Filipinos? You make the rest of us look bad. Ang ambisyoso mo naman! Obviously, Filipinos have been putting the cart before the horse; they feel pride for some inexplicable thing, then they go find something to feel proud of, however small and inappropriate.

But true pride comes from a society building things as a collective, from accomplishing things where each member of that society can feel happy and satisfied knowing that they had a part in building that thing or accomplishment. If Pwede na iyan, Bahala na, and a culture of impunity are the best that Filipinos can do together, well, they get what they deserve.

I am Filipino, and I approve this message. We need a tipping point for these changes to happen. Too much hate…i think the title of this blog is wrong and it should be change to manilenyo because the characters and enviroment in which the author is describing is specificly referring to manila.. Did it mention the corrupt government? And yes, I am a Filipino. I also feel like we copy from America too much.

I also believe that we are pretty ignorant. These are just but a few, not to mention what our supposed elected leaders are doing to the country. Do I still have abroad to know all these? Funny thing is, PH is proud already for ditching top 10 of the most corrupt countries. No offense, meo, but from what rock did you crawl out of? Since , Transparency International has been improving the rank of the Philippines from being one of the top 10 most corrupt countries.

The Philippines is now at the middle: Sorry for the overlooked, thought addressing my comment to somebody else would be alright…. This is mostly true in the cities. Well good for them. Yes, not all Filipinos are rude, undisciplined and inconsiderate… Not even in general..

In fact, If you try to live in the Philippines, you will feel how hospitable, loving and respectful we are. I live in the provinces now —- rude and undisciplined — no Pinoy Pride here Packing my bags to leave again, we are a corrupt ignorant people. So instead of using a little common sense and grasping the point of my comment, you want to nit-pick? OK… Allow me to clarify for the hard-headed: How about doing something about it?

Get into the education sector, and teach. Join an organization that will touch the young Filipino and do formation work, get into reform. Get off that couch you are lazily lounging about in and do something! If you truly care about the Filipino, help. If not, then you have no right to say anything.

People like you are part of the problem. Dami mong sinasabi wala ka namang ginagawa! That means there is something wrong with yourself. The Typhoon Yolanda fiasco is also an example of Pinoy stupidity. Gigi, how silly of you to assume that the writer is doing nothing. How sure are you that this person does nothing but blog all day? Totally agree with what Veronica said!

Who knows, maybe he IS currently doing something that contributes to the betterment of the country! So I say please, do not judge him right away. Instead of firing back negatively at the author, just take whatever he said as a form of constructive criticism. Filipinos altogether can do SOOO much better if they realize the mistakes that they do and start improving from them. I would like to add, if I may, that that is another annoying trait of Filipinos—jumping too fast to conclusions!

One good example is sharing negative posts about something or a person, on Facebook, without even checking first if what they are sharing is true or not! I am not implying anything but distaste for the whole article.

Implying your distaste is just a repeat of your first comment. You ARE proud of those mediocrities then? Did you read the article? How about challenging yourself and TRY justifying your argument. Distaste of the article? You can justify it by proving the author wrong. If you can not show any of these, then that just means you are satisfied with the mediocrity. Accepting our mistakes and therefore realizing our potential is what it will take for us to evolve as a people.

Says the emotard who is always asshurt every time he was given facts. Thank you very much you clown because you make us realists entertain. You should work for the circus btw. In short tibayan mo sikmura mo at tanggappin mo na may pagkukulang tayo kaya ganito bansa natin. When in desperation, use my words against me. Btw remember what tomas said to you: And no your replies to him are already invalid. What an embarrassment you really are. Pero totoo ang sinabi niya. Tomas you are correct.

I may be new to this blog but by commenting something contrary to what the author wrote is no reason to shoo me away. That just proves my point that this blog is not about shared opinions, rather by agreed opinions only which is sad.

I am just giving my opinion and not expecting to change anything. And just because other countries and cultures do it automatically absolves the philippines from criticism? IM just being frank. I thought i made it clear that these traits are shared by people all over the world. I admire your solidarity as a team. Like a pack of wolves on a hunt. Sige na nga, sabi nyo e.: Besides, all the traits mentioned by the author were on point.

Can you really deny the facts stated on this article? Rather than viewing this article negatively, people should just ponder on the ugly truth regarding our flawed mentality as Filipinos and act on it. I am a Filipino but I have yet to be proud of being one.

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Second, they are very ignorant and intolerant just like whites in Western countries. Third, Thailand is no better than Cambodia when it comes to education, infrastructure, quality of life, and financial security.

Thais are becoming just like Americans. I am Black American who was born in the 70s. I watched my country decline morally and financially, so I left. Cambodia has the opportunity to not fall into the same trap that Thailand is falling into. Even after reading this dreadful posting by an obviously racist, ignorant, drunken takes one to know one , white male who had no intentions on making positive contributions to Cambodian society.

His article was deliberately demeaning. All of his comparisons referred to blacks, how convenient. A lot of Cambodians have dark skin.. Hmm I think you honed in on his racist overtones. The greater racist in the humanity has found in North America and Europe.

All these freeloaders and Western drunks come to Thailand and Cambodia for sex with young girls, because not women like them in they countries and their souls are rotten and service of Satan. Very few as is your case comes to educate, help youth either Thai or Cambodian and of course adapted to the model of life and customs of the country as is my and your own case. God bless you in every instant of the day!!! Ssorry Starre but he is right racism might exist everywhere but I take a racist from SEA over racist scum from North America these creatures are the worst.

You can find all the bad and all the goods anywhere in the world or even in your own family. Ones having great nice experience here and there will say something really good about it and ones having bad experience saying something opposite. People are good for some and also are bad for some but it does not mean that the white or western people are much better or civilized than the color people. Comments over something true are good for those who seek info for their consideration buy please do not blame the whole country.

I do not understand why you had such a very bad experience in Thailand and so I wonder how you behave there; a well educated American or a rude and junk rubbish from US. Your hometown is Bronx, New York, right? Only for a few skilled professionals. It will change almost nothing. Migrant workers from Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar have been working in Thailand for decades and they certainly are NOT being allowed in more easily than anytime in the past.

What makes you come up with such a BS story. There is no plan for free movement of people. Get your facts straight before commenting here. Thailand is 40 years ahead of Cambodia in terms of infrastructure. Health care is way better as is overall quality of life.

Also, you accuse Thais of being racist. What the fuck are you doing in Bangkok then? If you live in a foreign country, at least show your host nation a modicum of gratitude for letting you stay there? That is funny LOL, you have such a good joke. There is a not quote: When I was aboard, my bag was stolen. Try to find another news beside this one. The Mac is back!

Makes me feel guilty for returning next month. But you forgot one other all-pervading odour — durian, which sadly smells of a very uhealthy shit. Vintage Gavinmac, thanks for the laughs. I will be eagerly waiting for the inevitable sequel: I guess it will be somewhat easier to find consensual reasons. And I am willing to bet that sex and booze will rank highly among those. LOL, all true, but it begs one question: A certain bit of fast-footing and lying is needed to send your pension from its billet in a bank in Ruritania to the ANZ in Snookyville so you can continue your good work providing food and drink to bargirls.

Many decent,intelligent and pleasant people. And one thing that bugs me about this article is that it only stated the negatives of Cambodia; furthermore, not everything he said is true. He told me, Cambodia is a place for people who love nature, it has the beautiful beach that takes only about 4 hours from the city by driving, mountains, Angkor One of the wonders of the world.

Your arguments lack validity — there are no logical links between what you use as for supporting your claims, and your claims. What does show that the article was written from a subjective perspective? How come a third world country is called developed country in brackets? Sorry, your set of sentences make no sense in the effort of sugar coating the obvious and defending your country even against hard evidence. The author has done his research and gave an insight that matches the experience of most, however you are right at least partly — he has not provided us with a link to the life expectancy data — just as you failed to do so.

But at least the author does know that life expectancy figures come in years and not percentage — so before calling for more research, try to do your own. Have you ever seen positive things that would make people consider NOT staying in a country?

But okay, call this semantics. I would like to see at least some reference when you state something is not true, such as a quote from the original article with the challenged part see my quotes above. No one said in the original post that people will become alcoholic in Cambodia, even though you have good chances to become one.

My favourite one is this: This is friggin great, so tell me how can I pretend to be a toddler and be admitted to this fantastic hospital if I need the world class quality and free services of Kantha Bopha?

You can drive from the Thai border to Phnom Penh and see nothing but rice fields. While at times they are green, they are not even close to anything that is considered nature. Well, perhaps in Canada there are not many beaches — so your ignorance about a beautiful beach is forgivable. Only 4 hours from the city? Great for a day trip, 8 hours on the great Cambodian highway just to have a dip in the sea on a less than appealing beach. Try to travel in the region to have an experience about nature and beautiful landscapes.

If anything is cheap in this country is because these underpaid people should survive. So what they eat is cheap by Western standards. But eating that is not always advisable for foreigners to follow unless they have good antibiotics at hand. They want to see Angkor Wat — for days — then escape back to civilization. And by the way there is tax — while not a very high one. So there is only your ultimate question in your post remain left to answer: If you have read the original post carefully, there are answers to your question.

And there is no single answer. People come here for a number of reasons. Some shift from Thailand due to the cleaning up operations of the Thai immigration. Not sure this does any good to your country. There is a simple general answer though.

The immigration policy is pretty simple and straightforward and quite Cambodian I would say: If you speak English, you can find a teaching job, regardless your thick accent that no student will understand just smile at you like idiots. How cool is that? Some other people come here to get volunteer experience and a paragraph in their CV-s that would look cool one day in a future job interview. Mostly i see a lot they like to stay in backpacker, not only in cambodia, but happened in bali and thailand too, when drink 1 bottle beer it would take 2 hours, OMG…full of shit,,,hahaha, some of the western girls do prostitute part time for getting the air ticket back to country coz i slept with her, oh shit..

My wife is Cambodian American who escaped the Khmer Rouge as a child and much of her family still lives there. They have thriving businesses, multiple houses and are not living impoverished lives. While the countries facilities, infrastructure, etc.

Korea is investing a lot of money into this country, who only recently started to impose some taxes. They are a war-torn country without an abundance of natural resources and tax revenue from citizens and businesses.

Much of the Cambodians I know, family members included, are kind-hearted and caring. Instead of pointing out only the negatives and contributing to the problem this country is facing, the author who I assume is speaking from His personal failures and lifestyle experiences, should have included some of the positive aspects of living in the country and be part of the solution to improve it and not simply focus on the problems.

Much of what he said may be true, but the way in which he presented them were very demeaning and insulting. Why should foreign tourists from non-asian countries being forced to pay so much just to visit their horrible asian country? I know they make people who have litte money to spend feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. Everything is a rip off.

They charged so exhorbitantly just to sit in their riketty tuk-tuk. Yes, they are a war torn asian country but still they should not behave that way. I agree with Alex, the seven reasons is a bunch of sensationalist garbage, that you can regurgitate because you are probably on some sort of payroll from a western government, to dribble this crap.

Love how you phrased this. Without us Filipinos you probably are nothing.. There is at least 1 Filipino in every corner of the globe, guess why? Because we work it shawty! Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia… A great cartoon of a sort, more than slight exaggeration skills though! It is not the land of milk and honey portrayed in the guide books. Lived in the outbacks near to the border for 20 years and it is kmen speaking.

I really had to laugh. I have been to Phenom Phen 3 times, I find it very dusty and really the only time one can go out, is at night due to the excessive heat. Yes, this person its a bad shit. Cambodia is a easy going country, the people are smiling there are friendly as well. You can easy stay in Cambodia, sure for backpackers is different.

I like Cambodia and have been 20 Years. And who dont like Cambodia invite him to kiss my ass and straight to the airport! Hi, it is obvious you hold bitterness and resentment with Cambodia. Maybe a few bad experiences along the way that pierced your heart and scarred you for life? However, I have to disagree in areas that stood out to me. I am a mom of 4,have lived here for 10 years.

I would raise my kids here again if I had to do over. Yes Cambodia has a tremendous amount of years to recover and rebuild on what they once had, but my family and I are here because we believe this country has hope and we are just one of the many here who want to help the people help themselves.

You and all the rest who take offense to this article truly are idiots who are unable to distinguish an encyclopedia entry from a witty poke-fun-at-stuff article.

And your poor grammar, punctuation and spelling skills do not help you convey your point at all. Depression is more likely to strike in high-income countries than in poor ones! I am an American who loves Cambodia. You are correct, most Americans are xenophobes a. Perhaps many Americans would learn something about the world at large and most importantly, about themselves and gain a degree of humility. Believe me, Cambodia has a brighter future than Florida or the rest of the United States!

My son attends The University of Cambodia. Cambodia IS having growing pains, but I am optimistic about the future of this nation. Materialistic, shallow and ignorant Americans… pity them for they know few facts! Thanks for pointing this out. I am D Dutch, lived in the US for thirty years and am now volunteering as an English teacher, moving to Cambodia next month and looking very much forward to it!

Very funny artical, I have lived in Phnom Penh for almost 1 year, the people are great, the weather is so much better than in England and you can have a very good life for less money. Yes there are parts of Phnom Penh that smells, yes you can get ripped off but you can haggle or walk away, many expats seem to leave their brains at home and do things here they would never do, then look for sympathy when things go wrong, yes some expats spend most of the time dringing but the majority are hard working, not all expats are teachers, yes there is problems with the local medical profession but there are some very good hospitals and the dental care is very cheap.

My only gripe are the Khmer road users, they have no road awarness whatsoever, never look, ignore red lights and they all want to turn down the same street from different directions at the same time and then wounder why nothing is moving.

Pardon me but you, however, are something else entirely. Are you some kind of messiah? Get off your patronizing high horse. Cambodia does not need help from people like you — people who take more than they give.

I am sure you would find my comment unpleasant. If its any consolation, our kids are probably in the same school. They probably also have the same doctors at Royal Rattanak. I have to thank people like you from NGOs, missionary groups, embassies and international organizations who enroll their kids at ISPP and have them treated at Rattanak. Otherwise, these facilities would not survive long and I would have had to leave my boy behind.

Gavinmac is presenting one part of a colorful and much larger narrative. That said, there is an even bleaker picture — that of the greed, selfishness and corruption in the NGOs and international organizations and their abject failure to help Cambodians.

Myself, I am probably part of a much darker picture. That of foreigners who have come to Cambodia to take without giving anything back. You, Gavinmac, myself and a lot of the readers here are part of this larger narrative.

You do what you do. Let Gavinmac do what he does. I will keep on doing what I do. No need to be bitter about it. Contribute to the discussion. Why not list 7 reasons why you should move to Cambodia or that sort of thing. Although i can found myself in a few things, 10 years of living here as brought me much more than the 7 reasons above… I have 2 kids here, one of them emergency hospitalized when he was 9 months old.

Doctors did a great job, and yes, they were all local. All of the above you can waive. It all depends on your attitude. So it means I am selfish. Has nothing to do with bad parenting, all to do with choices we make that would make a family happier.

And that choice of being happier for us is in Cambodia and you have not a single right to judge that. You found yourself 7 great reasons, so i suggest you follow them and stay away. Maybe your mother is just disappointed in you… I agree with point 6 and 7 though. We lost quite a few people to that kind of behavior, a lot actually. They chose to get bored, get drunk and get laid with the wrong people.

They died because of it. Country had nothing to do with that. Their own stupid perception of how beautiful life would be in paradise doing nothing killed them.

I know, cause i knew all of them…. Nice Daniel, and thanks from a fellow Dutchman.. If you want an exciting and interesting life, you have to take risks.

Otherwise you are doomed to a boring life. It strikes me that the post is mainly about life in Phnom Penh. I live in Siem Reap and I love it. Gavinmac Base on your article, I think you are a very negative and uneducated person. You cannot generalize Cambodia based on your bad experience in this country. There also are many foreigners out there who come to Cambodia and they love it. If you want to compare Cambodia and Thailand.

I think you forgot the fact that Cambodian people are much friendlier than those in Thailand who see all of you as walking dollar. If you go to the countryside in Cambodia, people will welcome you and even invite you to have meal with them too while in Thailand people just see you as idiot walking dollars. There are a lot of drug dealers, gangs, prostitutes, alcohols and more importantly Pattaya is known as the prostitute city. I think you should do more research if you want to compare Cambodia with Thailand.

On my final night he said he and his friends wanted to treat me to dinner. I was perplexed at the offer, but he insisted. He and his friends took me out to the outskirts of Siem Reap on a Friday where they go for a canal side meal.

There was a simple ride park nearby with ferris wheel and other rides… sitting on a blanket they ordered me beer and food, and paid every dime. IN the darkening eve, we traded childhood stories.. They added their parents stories about the evils of Pol Pot and the genocide. In the end, their aim was so simple it made me tear up.

The boys all had a chance to practice their English on a nice native speaker… I treasure their ambition and simple need to educate themselves. A lot of he same reasons I use for moving to norway. God schools, god healthcare, money and so on. I almost drifted away from K4… then GavMac woke up!

Gav, you are too much! Much of what you say is true, but a lot is totally over the top and serious crap! Good read, love the adverse comments, you can almost see their hair moving as it goes over their heads. The item that does ring too true is the mum bit, I would be back in Cambodia now except its not fair to leave an 86 year old mum behind with no one. Tricky situation, but family first. You hit the nail on the head. You forgot to mention the weather is freaking hot. No, I did not buy the broom.

I gave money to those starving kids instead. I could not swallow the food there. You make me laugh. Keep telling more joke about Cambodia. But of course you can always eat western and other foreign food to avoid getting a stomachache. In any case the only Khmer food that I can think of is fish amok, which is pretty good. Cambodian doctors Shifty-eyed sexpats from Thailand E-book authors St.

Guys… Why all the negativity? Now it is run by two creepy Americans who collectively have the personality somewhere between sandpaper and serial killer.

It is a truly fucked up place, especially for the unsuspecting backpackers that end up staying there. You cannot just leave an apology. Your article has already defamed Cambodia. For years, I have been integrated with a Khmer family and gradually have become to know larger and larger numbers, now close to I help them financially when problems occur, often too often I know, but the government is impervious to their grief, they say.

The people are warm, funny, courageous, intelligent, resourceful, and respectful. They are all doing what they can to survive, but find they live with a lot of malignant forces operating to keep them subdued. They learn nothing about the outside world and are fed the party line as to what is happening to their own country.

Certainly, there are times when I have been exploited, lied to, etc, but that has also happened to me travelling throughout Europe. This country is a three-legged elephant struggling to stand again and not being helped so much, despite all the press about aid.

The stories of the poor people are horrifying and reveal the powerlessness they feel. As I write this, I am regaled for ten hours a day at ear-blasting political music and speeches smothering my neighborhood. Banks of loud speakers have decided what I shall listen to all day long, starting at 6. As with so many aspects, others decide, and not often in the best interests of the Khmers being affected. But despite the problems, the resilience of the people is outstanding, as is their display of their nature.

They are warm people but cautious, for they have little and are always fearful they will lose it all at the whim of an official. How can they endure yet remain happy and smiling? They learn to let things slide. That is the problem with most selfish Asian societies. It is usually very unstable and very hostile to people who need help.

Most Asians only like to help those well-off tourists. That gives a false impressions about their often cruel Asian culture. It is very difficult to get help even from well-off Asians when you are in need or in distress even though you were generous with those Asians in the past. What you say is fairly true about developing societies like Cambodia, but in Singapore or Malaysia, Hong Kong and other fairly developed places you will be helped.

Even in Thailand depending on the circumstances. Why do assholes like anonymous ignore anyone who shows a little bit of WWJD spirit and immediately impugn their intent much less their outcome. I say that YES, they would care, and they would reciprocate with eventing within their means to do so. What I would further say is, you, SIR, should honestly just go back to whatever horrid country you come from and sleep in your own bed and not begrudge true good spirited people from doing good works.

That said, I agree that moving to Cambodia is a bad idea for most. You have to be able to adapt if you want to stay happy. Best article I have ever read in a long long time on any topic….

Your writing skills are exceptional…. Kim, let me guess. You have imbibed so much cheap vodka that your powers of reasoning have become numb and pickled. And the alternative is to stay in this war-mongering police state? No thanks, bring on the Dengue. I so agree with you. Came here to escape becoming a robot in the West.

I personally would rather be poor than have my life pass as a wretched robot. If you want to do drugs, be a drunk and whore yourself to death move to Cambodia like the idiot OP and die at But, dear god… pick dude.. Seriously… this article had me pissing my pants.

Had me giggling for its entire length I do wonder why so many people have taken your words so literally rather than reading it as I have done. Well done,thanks for the laugh! For the price of a meal you will get some unbelievable stories and quite the local travel guide.

I spent some time in Koh Kong thirteen years ago and there were precisely three expats at that time and none of them were Americans called Jimmy. Dear all, Thanks for your visit to my country. Cambodians are friendly,honest and they love all visitors. We appear to be friendly. Thank you for your nice comment, Mr.

This is a very unhealthy thought. Where did Gavin get the idea that life expectancy is Ive been living here for 10 years. I must be in heaven for the last 1. What is the point of arguing about it? Those Cambodians, like other Asians, tend to treat their elderly people like garbage, just like they treat poor people.

Cambodia, like other Asian countries tend to treat young and old people shabbily. As such, given a choice, there is no point wasting time or money or growing old in Cambodia and only to end up being treated shabbily by mostly inhumane Cambodians. The Asian never give real respect. Everything about Asians is fake. Those Asians have very low standard of care, tend to make fun of elderly people, those Asians commonly abuse or mistreat elderly, they provide very poor facilities and very poor care in elderly home that turn out more like an abusive slum , compared to the mostly high standard of elderly care in the West.

Furthermore those Asians only show some respect to elderly people who are quite well-off or rich. Otherwise, they kept their elderly people imprisoned, looking at walls in their home day and night like they do to any disadvantaged people.

That is another horrifying aspects of Asian shabby societies. If you have spend time in south east asia then you will know the family bond is times more than i will say western countries but really uk because thats where i am from What do most prostitutes do with a good portion of their money?

They are meant to be the low of society. I agree with lots of things about western people moving to south east asia but i will defend the family bond of most south east asians. I accept that there are financial pressures that make people do stupid things like selling their kids etc, however i would like to point out we in western society do lots of stupid things with really no financial pressure. Everything is relative, in every society there are good and bad and i guess the only difference is the culture and tolerance of the society.

If you are a cambodian I will listen otherwise i dont think you have the right to comment on there society. The truth is somewhere between the two extremes expressed by screaming, perpetually offended locals like A Kid and the likes of Annonymous.

Traditionally, westerners also held the family very dear, but decades of Marxist family destroying indoctrination including promotion of radical feminism, incest, degeneracy, sex, homosexuality, transgenderism, materialism and other things have effectively destroyed the family. The few western communities that still hold family above all else, such as the Amish, Mormons in Utah, Baptists and other traditional Christian families with large numbers of children often at least 5 living in rural areas of the US, Canada and Europe are mostly ridiculed and mocked.

Asia is not immune either, because the same forces that have succeeded in destroying the family in the west, are arriving in both developed and developing Asia too with the same intentions.

We are already seeing their effects — below replacement level birth rates even in Cambodia birth rates, though still above replacement level will soon drop to below 2 in the next few years and in general the same agendas being promoted in the education system and media. Kids should really be raised exclusively by their parents until they are 6 or 7, not by the state.

Thank you for the very informative and realistic account of another manipulative Asian country who are mostly only interested in gullible foreigners who can afford to waste money on them on their substandard goods and atrocious services.

I agree Cambodia like other asian countries is not a humane place to live in and I certainly will not recommend any foreigner to move there on a permanent basis. Anyway, how they live is their problem. I noted that they like most rude asians are extremely obsessive about making more money, to the point of being creepily aggressive, and that is why those tourists on tight budget should be extra cautious when dealing with them. I know they will never treat poor foreigners any better even when so many poor foreigners have contributed a lot and have helped them improve their life in one way or another.

Those rich foreigners who have extra cash to waste on them may find their stay more pleasant. I am just so worried about my husband a foreigner in that strange land who may still be there and he is definitely not getting any younger.

No, your absent husband is not getting any younger…. Each person is unique and different. I have many Cambodian frinds who like gangster lifestyle, drugs, stealing, violence and they and I find your oversimplified, broadly classified comments to be egregious and upsetting.

In the future, please have more consideration for the diversity and individualism that we all possess as human beings coexisting on this planet. Another reality check and well done Gavinmac.

But as the authors suggests, we have to feel for the children, both native and foreigners. But as the authors suggests, we have to feel for the children, both native and foreign. Thanks, very enjoyable read. Just returned from my first visit back to Cambodia in nearly two years. As much as I enjoyed my ten years living in Siem Reap I do not regret the move back to the US and the visit back there was a gentle reminder that my decision was the right one. As stupid as America has become I still find it far preferable for raising my two children now 8 and 3.

Good to hear from you. Your website was one of the first I ever read about Cambodia. I take it that the Tales of Asia website is as dead as Deadfish, though. A great source of info and the chat boards were quite good. All the best to you! What a great article dud — and in addition — get out your wallet as the cost of living is through the roof these days in Phnom Penh. My advice is that if you come to live in Cambodia — make sure you are well heeled, insured to the hilt, NEVER loan money to anyone, have return ticket home and pay a monthly retainer to a high ranking General or Ok Nyark to cover your arse when shit hits the fan….

Next time I hear some Australian winging about how much tax they pay in Australia to cover social services I am going to BBQ then in the jugular with my taser torch. At the end of the day, it is just not worth it, considering the risk of being stuck there for how long?

If one have a choice, get out as soon as possible and move back to a more saner and more civilised Western societies. This passing the buck onto the state, which ultimately wants to control all citizens by first destroying the family, needs to stop.

Already Thais are having fewer children than most European countries are, and Cambodians are not far behind, especially in urban areas where the child family is the norm amongst middle class Cambodians these days where only one generation ago the norm might have been children.

Cambodia is a open and easy going country. I have been 20 years already. He is welcome to kiss my ass and staght to the airport if is still in Phnom Penh. Friendly people, smile all the time…. Many foregners get drunk and drive cars, bikes, and not a problem at all!!! Do that in Europe?! Yes they should do something about the garbage collection but it is not citywide and there are as many rats if not more in Bangkok or Saigon 4 I have open a support operation for my company in Cambodia and I am able to save with a competitive labor who needs opportunities.

I guess i am not one of these under-educated loser you may be addressing. Alcohol is cheap in Cambodia so it attracts alcoholics. I appreciate that life is cheap in Cambodia and it is my responsibility to share the benefits and improve the life of a few Cambodians. Are to busy complaining about how little is provided to you in exchange for the cheap price you pay?

Yet Cambodia and the world does not need alcoholics and pedophiles so please take them back home with you. A person who wrote this topic must be a crasy man, all his words like shit. If he is a person who is high educated he cannot spell out all that fucking words. If i were his mother i would kill him since he was born. He is a poor man. Please calm down — our culture of speaking is not like that! A lot things in this article are trues and some are not. Cambodia is a poor country, and everything are different from the norm of western standard.

Something that is good for the goose may not be good for the gander. Anyone consider moving to Cambodia, should go to visit first, absorb information from many different sources, visit many different places not just expat bar or Angkor Vat. And you must hold on tight to your passport, return ticket and your sanity.

You might heard some groaning from disgruntle expat who have been living in Cambodia or SE Asia for years, and that make one wonder why that person still here, or still possess the passport, can afford a return ticket a discount 3rd.

I guess for those who discourage others Westerners from moving to Cambodia because they might want to keep the stay pristine for themselves and all the bar girls stay cheap and less VD. I think Cambodians is not a poor country.

It is just that Cambodians like many other Asian countries tend to exploit foreigners for money. Even those living in countryside have land. It has alot of land to grow food and other natural resources.

I think Cambodia like many other Asian countries have very rich and socalled poor living in a terribly polluted, degenerate and immoral environment. I think one should not pity those bar girls who fished for pity and who greedily exploited those foreigners gullibility. I think Cambodian problem is not poverty. It is more to do with Cambodian sickening immorality, that is perpetuated by Cambodian society but often those Cambodian find it convenient to blame those well-intentioned Westerners.

Taxi drivers,guides and other hospitality workers normally teach a newcomers: Lonely female tourist had dinner in one Cambodian restaurant. It was lovely night — warm, full of soft music and lights, good food and coffee…. Beetween courses she was chatting with the waitress. And then in one moment this girl asked: This waitress was clean, friendly, smart, had quite good skills, and got good tips after dinner. Next evening all waitresses on this restaurants street where lined up on the doors,and from everywhere sounds: You look soooo beautiful and good, even if you are soooo old Would you like to have dinner?

Please come have a look! The article is true. Cambodians are not poor, it is total bullshit. Truth is they are lazy and they always spend everything. Price is no object for Cambodians. They want to spend, spend, spend. All they want from you is currency only. Some step away bored soon, as they see you are not willing to pay for their drinking parties and karaoke.

Others build your trust long time. Very big difference between Cambodia and Western. Big difference, which foreigner may not be able to comprehend or even imagine, therefore is usually vulnerable to exploitable practices of Khmers.

They treat people like money machine and tend to exploit us poor human travellers, who are looking for a temporary or permanent home. I just wish I never went there, even though my another Asian country of origin is as bad.

Cambodia or any other Asian countries is not a place for any foreigners who are homeless, have little money in the pocket or destitute because Cambodia will do all sorts just to make you feel even more homeless, unwelcome and more vulnerable.

I am not being unreasonable, but I noted that most of their guesthouses are shabbily run and that they have no consideration for us guests or travellers who have to cope and put up with their mostly shabby attitudes. Cambodia is a place like other greedy, manipulative, cruel Asian countries, will suck you dry, and let you rot there, if you are not careful.

They like other Asians will have no qualms lying to you, just in order to avoid helping you. Those Khmers and other Asians have so much and yet they are not satisfied. Many Westerners are in fact poorer and yet those Asians who are surrounded with all sorts of luxuries imaginable think they are entitled to harrass you and to have more aids or extra dollars for giving nothing decent in return.

Thank You for the advice. I just wish I am back in UK. Cambodia is such a shitty place! You poor poor thing! Thanks for letting us know. Now let somebody else talk!!! Am I not allowed to talk? After awhile, i just get tired of seeing the same comment from the same person over and over again. I do go over2 cambodia 4holiday annually. Bad motor riders,causing alot of accidents. Sadly services r 2b fee. But right now, your tone of reply was extremely rude.

I suppose you all cambodians think you all are entitled to be rude and abusive all the time while foreigners are not allowed to talk about how bad Cambodia is to foreigners? The fact that i still enjoy reading his articles, it means i can handle the truth. I agree with you Miroslav. I have witnessed all of those aspects you mention myself. Everywhere people like money, but in Cambodia it is the only thing that has meaning. As for nature loving Cambodians or beautiful, untouched nature — what rubbish!

And I mean it. Cambodians must hate their country to treat it like that. None of the people in neighboring countries have half as much rubbish all over the place as in Cambodia. Also, not all the begging elderly are without sons and daughters or the ones at home treated with respect, but some are beaten or they have to linger in they urine soaked pants or sarongs for hours, ignored by their offspring who are too busy to notice.

Cambodia has its charms but it also has its very dark side and Gavinmac is right to point them out, all true more or less except perhaps the age but then how many long-term ex-pats have died here at a ripe old age? Their Asian societies revolved mostly around money and exploitation of foreigners. I am sure their so called family bond will just soon disintegrate or deteriorate as soon as money from foreign sources dried up. There are so many rich Asians around.

Do you refer to ALL Cambodian people? Western and Cambodian people are human-beings. Thanks for the warning. I was about to sell my worldly possessions and move to Cambodia. Whew — dodged that bullet. Medication in vietnam is not so good, but i find many cambodian come to vietnamese clinics for treatment. Noise pollution is one of horrible things living in asia. Drugs, drinks, prostitution happen more often due to living so far away from family, people dont care about their own reputation.

Once we are stuck in such evil temptations, we ruin our life for certain. Cambodia is only for people who want to live on the edge, take a risk and live a fascinating life as a result. Have you been out of your suburb yet? Some places are good to visit, and some are good to reside.

Reason 8…too many guns. This article is hilarious, and some of the dead serious responses here even more so. Probably the former, exaggerated a bit to make it funny. However this is only one perspective coming from a guy relating everything to his material Western ideas about life.

Other people have different stories and different perspectives. For example, I would much rather have my kids grow up in the friendly culture of Cambodia than in the bullying, impersonal, unfriendly culture of U. Brilliant piece of writing Gavin. A wonderful combination of wit, irony, truth and sarcasm. It speaks a truth of many expats worldwide who gravitate towards underdeveloped countries for selfish reasons as predators rather than for altruistic motives.

The only reason they are not alcoholics at home is they cannot afford to be. If they mouthed off in their home countries, in the same way they do in the bars and streets of Cambodia, they would quickly find themselves toothless. This type of expat sets a horrible example for the simple, uneducated natives.

This degenerate expat species is generally of inferior social and intellectual status and feels the false euphoria because they think they are a giant in a land of dwarfs. I also believe that westerners who bring western born children to live in such countries long term are guilty of willful neglect and are irresponsible parents.

A short term experience for children could be good but definitely not long term. Those scum take years of a persons life due to their persistent, annoying conduct. They need to be curtailed! I agree with much of this but it does seem like an attempt to keep people away from moving to Cambodia.

A lot is down to the individual. I moved to Cambodia because the taxi-drivers back home kept trying to talk about football to me. If you are not falling for all that marketed BS and want to have and easy going life, Cambodia is a great place to live.

People are friendly unlike those in Vietnam or back home, cost of living is low — unless you are one of the idiots who has to live in a crazy mansion to feel good about their life…. As far as healthcare goes, you can easily jump over to BKK and get professional help. Not living in a place just because of the possibility of needing a medical attention is just crazy… You can get hit by a bus and die on spot when your number comes up in any country….

You came to Cambodia, and you were expecting Cambodia to be like a country in the west? Even French people are different from English people. I think Cambodia is a wonderful country with the most lovely people. For a much younger expat as myself, its a great place to gain experience and see life from another perspective.

All of you guys KNOW its just inappropriate what your doing, so stop it! I agreed and disagreed some reasons this article states. Cambodian people have lived here for their entire lives. They face many more serious issues that you might not think of. What about your life arrangement, preparation and management on daily basis. Living in a new place does requires a lot of personal leadership and initiatives to deal with diverse culture shocks and many other issues.

I can see that the person who writes this has a very bad impression about Cambodia. Cambodia is not bad like what it is saying! This is a trick that bad guy say to force Cambodia down. Try to believe this one is causing bad to your mind. Please, try to find another news and other resource, and keep this one away from you. Bousong — is this a trick? Or tell me which part is not true. The quality of health care or education?

He must be a Vietnamese agent, right? The real question is which is better: You do the first and you are not alone. Most Cambodians do nothing to make the place better. A few weeks ago a large number of foreigners cleaned up the surroundings of the Siem Reap river as it looked like a waste dump. And you bet, it was not the foreigners who threw the garbage all over the place. Hey Brad, you might be one of good influence on Cambodians about keeping clean.

On behalf of those who trashed in the river and carelessness of government, I feel ashamed. I think somehow we like good expats. I have tried hard for better from keeping country clean to politics. Back to the article: I wanna say we live by love and inspiration.

The article is more intended to insulting than information. Imagine if you are insulted: Why are these foreigners in Cambodia? Is it a nice country to stay? They are the least qualified…. I bet you are descent guy, Brad.

I have never known such a serious things like this in Cambodia…It is only a small part in countryside…. U found a place full of shits, u tell your family and friends not to go there. All i care is how can we do to resurrect this country. Everyday people discussing problems here and there, but have we forgotten about the solution??. I never hang out in bars to get superwasted because there are a lot of other things to do and to see cupcake and coffee shops, pool bars, rooftop restaurants, fitness classes, day- and weekend tours by ship, cycling through the town….

Also, making any judgment on parents who decide to raise their children in a developing country like Cambodia is really none of your business. In fact, I am planning to do the same. I was born in the Brazilian favelas, came to Germany when I was only a few months old. Since then, I made a lot of experiences in developing and emerging countries. Speaking about the quality of life: I mean, maybe none of the Khmer girls wanted to go with such a dumbfuck. Btw, loved the way how you described the way you became a German national.

To sum up, it is understandable why you find this article very rude, disrespectful and upsetting. Or hike the next rooftop restaurant, you will be better off. I just read this blog and I honestly have to say that I really have to wonder about the blogwriters oppinion.

I am not an expat but stayed a bit in Cambodia and know some expats and NGO workers. I dont know what you are talking about. All healthy, smart, hard working non alcoholics. Furthermore I think you are very unfair. People are amazing friendly, I enjoyed busrides, I am going to fix a teeth what they have dentists??

I got dengue fever, but guess what, not in Cambodia but in developed Thailand. And I am sorry that I have to tell you, that you can get dengue already in europe, as well as typhus, hepatitis, parasits …. I just have been on PP — did not recognize any bad smell … I could go on and on …. I get you point what you wanted to say but please do it next time a bit more fair in respect of the country and khmer people! The problem with dengue is not where you get it, the problem is where will you get treatment.

Parasites and hepatitis are a whole different league as they are closely related to the overall hygiene of a country and with certain types of hepatitis the presence or lack of prostitution.

Well, since Madeira is geographically part of Europe — you are right. On the other hand the mosquitoes that spread the disease will never survive in colder climates, so most of Europeans will still have to visit SE Asia if they want to get dengue. I agree, but I would also have to imagine that Spooner has little trade value right now. I am a bit surprised Tom Wilson's game suspension upheld by Commissioner Bettman https: He is another guy that probably fits an AV style game very well but appears to be totally lost and to this point basically useless under DQ.

I can't imagine this game getting physical or nasty when both teams would rather play no contact hockey. The Rangers coach may want them banging bodies but so far they are tuning that part of his message out.

That probably isn't fair. It isn't that they are tuning him out, but rather that most of this roster just doesn't have that kind of a game in them That said, if we can get a solid pick for him, do it! Bring Lias Andersson back up and it's a win-win. Part of Elliotte Friedman's 31 thoughts I imagine McLeod making a huge impact on this game. And likely Chytil if he can find it. When a team can incorporate 4 rookies into their lineup and play meaningful minutes?

If that happens next year, you will have turned over a lot of the bench and you can see some light at the end of the tunnel. The Rangers held an optional morning skate this morning in Chicago that had the following players skating Cyrgalis: Henrik Lundqvist is likely starting in net.

Lettieri and DeAngelo stayed on for extra skating and are expected to be scratched tonight. Beleskey cleared waivers at noon. Irving moofman hows that time machine working? Everyone wants to see five years from now. I did not say that everyone over 25 will be traded this year. What i said was that anyone over 25 on the current roster will NOT be with the team when rebuild is done, 5 years from now.

Do you think Staal be here in 5 years, or Kreider or Namestnikov? Only player that might still be around is Ziba, and even with him, there is no guarantee. Maybe we sign Tyler Nanne I believe he is in his Junior year of college this season and may become a FA. It takes time to break bad habits. He is still trying to instill good ones. He expects us to practice the same way he expects us to play. They're still an AHL team. They are still littered with players that are Also to be noted: They're going to have their losses They're having some bumps here and there I can't even begin to describe how bad of an idea that is Shouldn't be that difficult to do.

Rhet0ric - I know You do NOT want to see what the vein on my temple is doing right now hint: Gorton's grand vision, we sure he's 'not done dealing. A one year deal Rangers stocked with centers Think it's equally likely he's resigned I don't think anyone in their right mind would change the goaltending dynamic until Shesty is in town, wearing a blueshirt and playing like he belongs I also don't think there's any will among the Rangers brain trust or Lundqvist himself to move the guy unless he shows he can no longer play and refuses to I would bet almost anything that Hank is still a Ranger whenever the cup is next raised Would I want to lose Georgy?

Nah, not at all It's only to meet the rules of the next Expansion Draft. Otherwise, you have to expose players you actually want to keep. Who the hell cares about guys you're going to bury in the minors anyway? RF4L - I wouldn't be so sure that the Ottawa pick is going to be high Ottawa is actually playing pretty good this season My god my blood, I believe, has become liquid magma just at the prospect of contemplating either of those guys being Rangers through this season, much less until the expansion draft.

Georgiev should be starting down there IMO. Hopefully under DQ's guidance they will continue to grow Belesky gott be bummed. Chance to play against former teammates gone away. To the bus you go. And is it just me or is Chris Krieder and Zibanejad making some good music as of late? I think Pionk is an upper echelon on the New York Rangers skater. And I like that he plays with an edge.

CM - with Belesky, dont think the money means anything now, just that it's the smart thing to do.. When the Rangers get back home, they can make a change if they want.. Thought he might get a game or two. But better to bury that salary.

Vic hank looks younger there While it's still too early, I was thinking the same thing about Pionk last night. Not sure what else Dallas could offer.

If I remember correctly their pool of prospects isn't anything special. Hayes changed his game and became much more consitent last year, although sliding back this season HANK posted a selfie yesterday morning with his neck brace on: The Traderator is broken.

MF has been in his basement all season trying to fix it. I think that is why he hasn't been around the Wall much Had a small neck thing yesterday but says he could have played if he had to. Dallas could use Hayes, too. Their 2nd line centre is Spezza! The Rangers would probably have to take Spezza back with Dallas eating some of his deal but that's ok if the return is right because he's an UFA next summer.

Of course, Spezza would have to agree - he's got a NMC. Beleskey will probably clear and maybe get recalled if he shows something in Hartford. Hayes is getting 19 minutes from the coach, so I guess he likes him. Too many guys are having bad nights or going hot and cold too frequently.

The mighty Quinney has his hands full with some of them. That list will go to fishboy. I think he seems to get caught flat-footed at times. Maybe work on that initial burst? I wasn't trying to say his skating was sub-par. It was much worse than that It was first deflected by a teammates skate intentionally , which Shestyorkin made a stick save on, then it bounced in off Hartikainen's face mask and he never even knew what hit him.

What a way to lose First loss of the season for Shestyorkin. Game winning goal in the last minute off an opponents face that went into the net Maintenance day for Mika today. Also, love the idea of Hayes to Colorado if we can get the Ottawa pick. I know it won't happen but someone has to take over for MF when he's not posting frequently: I'm not sold on Pionk becoming a star but he definitely is showing that he belongs in the NHL and he seems to be improving game by game.

I think he could work on improving his skating but other than that he seems to have some really good instincts and looks like he could be a late bloomer a la Girardi. As for the game, I though the Rangers played pretty well. I didn't think their first period was great but I wasn't killing them for it as much as they and DQ were killing themselves. They came out and took control of the game in the 2nd period. PIONK was fantastic once again. This season may not have much to be excited about but watching PIONK blossom into a star in this league will be one thing that I am going to enjoy.

And yes, I think he is going to become a star in this league. Last year he came to the realization that he could play in this league. You can see his confidence growing by leaps and bounds this year. He knows now that he can not only play in this league, but that he already has the skill and ability to be a dominant offensive player from the blue line.

I thought he looked really solid all night and made some big saves that helped turn the game to the Rangers favor. ZBAD was really good again. MZA got lucky on the first goal but got off a great shot on the second one.

HAYES played well and created chances. He was also pretty disruptive on the forecheck. Pretty good night overall for the D. Not too much to complain about. Before I say anything about the game last night I just wanted to talk about some of the rumored trade speculation and where some actual fits might be. Toronto needs to shore up their D. I could see the Rangers trading either if the deal was right. Colorado needs secondary scoring help. They have a fantastic 1 line but little proven NHL depth after that.

Boston is supposedly looking for a 3rd line Center. HAYES would fit in perfectly there. The longer Hank waits the less of a package we will get for him and with age the less chance he has to win a cup.

If he truly wants a cup he must leave this year and if that's not that important to him then all he will do is take playing time away from the Russian kid next year and hurt his development. I don't think Hank wants to be anybody's mentor either. Unfortunately the best thing that can happen to this organization is Hank leaving. I do think that Hank has even said that when he was growing up that you dreamt of winning a gold medal, and that a stanley cup would be nice to add to that I think like I said, he is resigned to this season sucking SO realistically if we see a change in Hanks thought process to any level that would lead to actually allowing a trade, it will be in the summer at the earliest I think it will also come about rather suddenly I think if it happens there will be the "the Rangers are talking about Lundqvist" stuff, with no one really making it clear if they are talking to teams or teams are calling and asking One thing about the season so far, while the record is not good, the games for the most part have been competitive part of this is due to Hank having some very good games early on and saving the bacon of the players who have made mistakes.

Being competitive is good for the young players. Losing is good for the long term future of the team, it gives them better draft selection and a higher chance of winning a top 3 spot. However, that competitiveness of the team is vital to grow the kids. If all the know is losing bad, and every mistake ending up in the net, and having no chance, thats what the team will be.

Look at the oilers Until they left and learned how to compete they were nothing but guys who did great things on their own. The rangers young players are getting a different look. They feel like they have a chance to win every night, mistakes don't automatically end up in the net so they can continue to push to make themselves better.

They of course wont feel good about losing, but they will feel like if they keep working hard and doing what the coaches tell them that they will start to win, and win a lot. There needs to be a good balance of competitiveness and losses to keep both ends of the equation in the best places possible. It will do no good to bring in a top 3 pick to a loosing mentality Probably but we'll see. I realize the King loves NY but if the season plays out as it's started, he's gonna be angry and frustrated far more often than not IMO.

He's still a good goalie and clearly, his competitive fire remains strong. I don't understand how he'd settle for this, especially given the fact that his resume is missing that one significant thing: He'll be retired before the Rangers are contending for the cup again.

He is no where near wanting to move to Florida I think he understood last season at the deadline that this season would be very rough, he has accepted it. He isn't some idiot who thinks that they will have some miracle run to the cup. It will take a little extra time for him to start thinking about allowing a trade BTW, do you think the King would enjoy sunny Miami? Luongo is always hurt now and you gotta think he's either going to retire or stay on LTIR indefinitely re until his contract ends.

Depending on what Nylander signs for, it's quite possible he's moved in the off-season, meaning the Leafs have only this year to reap whatever benefits they can from that triumphant. If this kid Pionk keeps playing like this then Shatty should be a goner by the trade deadline. It would behoove TO to make a deal or two, otherwise they're for sure to lose a quality player during the expansion draft. He was parroting a post by Dean Blundel from much earlier today I pulled it off of FB Haven't been keeping up with The Wall since the beginning of the season Why Rangers fans at the Garden love the intense, gifted Mats Zuccarello Pure musings from a fantasy website but rumblings are that Nylander is close to being signed.

Is that because it's also involving a trade? We'll see soon enough perhaps. Not sure if this has been posted previously: Hello fellow self loathing Ranger fans! Just got back from the game Actually it was the couch They need lots of that. But when the ref starts telling you to stop and starts skating away and you chase them? They just bark and expect you to listen. Well DQ gets a one game reprieve! Can't get too excited about beating the Panthers who are having a worse start than NYR.

But nice win for this team. And at least the Rangers still have more points than the IceHoles so far! First win in regulation. Funny how Hayes even wiffs on a empty netter 2 feet out. Z men 4 goals Yeah a little much but love the anger and emotion. Been absent from this team for far too long Pionk is infinitely better. Sucker punching Smith was bitch made but seriously Smith, get a grip.

He was flirting with even more minutes. I haven't had a favorite player in a couple of years, but it's really hard not to love Pionk. I think he actually shanked it and go a really lucky deflection, but it's just as good as any other goal on the score sheet. What a thoroughly disappointing effort. Few of them laying with confidence.

This is gonna get worse before it gets better. Something tells me Gorton is in make me an offer on anyone except Chytil, Howden or Pionk mode Shitty coverahe down low. Penalty for 2 many men. Has this team shut out DQ after 8 games? The Expansion Draft is in Forgot to mention that I also left Zuc off the list because he is also on the final year of his deal like Hayes That is yet another reason why HANK needs to be moved.

He may be the Rangers best bet for the goaltender of the future. He could have played if the Rangers needed him to. This is just to give an idea of what we're looking out in the coming expansion draft. Kevin Hayes is not on the list currently because it's not clear if we'll re-sign him or trade him Since we have more defensemen than forwards that need to be protected, I went with the 8 skaters and 1 goalie option. We also don't need to protect UFA Expansion Draft Protected List Forwards 8 skaters total: Defensemen 8 skaters total: Kreider, Spooner, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast Asterisk denote NMC's which must be protected Exempt most of the NYR prospects are exempt: Included are Chytil, Howden, Andersson Claesson could also fill this need if he re-signs.

Quite frankly ,that must have been some nock to the noggin' that BOO got I don't remember it being that bad at the time? Boo didn't make the team, he's not staying When was the last time Nick Kypreos was right about anything? Hearing Leafs and Nylander continue strong dialogue for potential resolution. To my knowledge no pending deal as of yet but talk of possible 6 yr term being discussed. Speculation on my part but thinking 6. BOO will almost certainly be sent down.

He did nothing in camp to earn a spot and hasn't played in a month. Even if he had earned a spot in camp he would still need some time in Hartford to get back into game shape.

Vic that depends on what they decide to do with boo boo snow Nieves when he comes off ir He knows what he needs to do to get back in the lineup. Anything is possible, but I highly doubt it.

Maybe Gorton can get Colorado's first but that'll be in the bottom third no doubt. Beleskey may come off the IR as soon as today. Claesson was already placed on the IR retroactively-out for weeks , so there is no need to send anyone down.

I remember reading the scouting reports on Vinni Lettieri when it was rumored the NYR had interest in signing him. Off the top of my head, he was rated something like a bottom six forward, likely a 4th line player.

When you look at him from that vantage point it colors your perception a bit. Maybe he scores with more consistency some day that we can talk about moving him up, maybe not. It also wouldn't shock me to see Lettieri turn into the next Jesper Fast-type. Petterson looks fabulous, albeit tiny and physically way not ready for the NHL. Makar is still in college but sure looked good in last year's WJC. Think about the Aves: VIC - Maybe there is,,we'll see I think you are right that, in theory, Littieri's game Loves to shoot, looks to go to the right places would be a fit for somebody like HAYES, just haven't seen that his level is high enough for it or for top 3 lines But I maintain there is an NHL player in there.

Put him with someone who can create offense like HAYES and I think he will score in addition to doing all of the things you need a bottom 6 guy and penalty killer to do. Ancient history now but still interesting: When the Rangers were negotiating the deal with Arizona that involved sending Stepan to the desert they originally wanted Clayton Keller.

The Coyotes wisely refused. Once they landed the 7th overall, the tried to trade up to draft Cale Makar - he went 4th to the already stinking talent rich Avalanche. When that failed their hope was the marvelous kid playing for the Canucks Elias Petterson would be available. When he wasn't, option 3 was Lias.

VIC - We agree on one thing I was saying that eons ago start of camp Even BUCH is more of a passer The next best option is more of a 2-way line and why I always thought of Vesey-Hayes-Fast Where we disagree is on Littieri.. He puts the effort in, but the only place he belongs is in Hartford.. I've been posting about it since the start of the season.

You don't put two guys who are playmakers on the same line. Both are pass first guys. Both will look to make the extra pass instead of taking the high quality scoring chance. He and HAYES looked great together when they got a chance to play on the same line at the end of the preseason. Just put those two together please. Hospo hopefully they listen, learn, and do it If you dont ha ve the the premium goal scorers, you have to score and play diffently.. That's what the Ranger forwards need to do..

They wont win a CUp without it They nyr have Riley Hughes Either the mighty Quinney teaches them to be goal scores or they have to find them.

I think he can teach them. The new saying besides shoot the puck will be go to the net , not behind it. Keep asking and demanding and hopefully the light will go off. Per the NYR's site Tyler Wall posted a record, along with a 1. The Rangers' sixth round pick th overall in the NHL Entry Draft stopped all 36 shots he faced to earn a win and a shutout, and was selected as the game's First Star on Oct.

In addition, Wall stopped 30 of 32 shots he faced and was selected as the game's Third Star on Oct. In three appearances this season, Wall has posted a record, along with a 1. Riley Hughes recorded four points one goal, three assists in three games during the week, and he registered three points one goal, two assists on Oct. The Rangers' seventh round pick th overall in the NHL Entry Draft has recorded 17 points six goals, 11 assists in 17 games with the Victoria Grizzlies of the British Columbia Hockey League BCHL this season, and he has also registered a point in nine of the last 11 games four goals, 10 assists in the 11 contests.

Hughes ranks third on Victoria in assists and points, and he is also tied for fourth on the team in goals in K'Andre Miller registered three points one goal, two assists , including two power play points one power play goal, one power play assist , recorded five shots on goal, and posted a plus-three rating on Oct.

The Rangers' first round pick 22nd overall in the NHL Entry Draft has registered five points two goals, three assists , a plus-six rating, and 15 shots on goal through his first four career collegiate games with the University of Wisconsin, and he has also recorded a point in three of those first four contests. You will have to take that up with him. The reality is that the NYR could trade another guys by the deadline this season. Gorton made it clear they weren't done dealing at last year's trade deadline.

Even with trading five guys that still leaves plenty of vets on the team. We need to open spots up for guys like Andersson and maybe even a Hajek or Gilmour. They'll also need to open up a spot for Kravtsov who could be here after his KHL season ends. In regard to Hank: In his first season in the NHL, he played 50 games.

Shestyorkin should at least start 40 games in his first season, do you think he will with Hank here? What about the year after? Would that be the best move for a rebuilding team down the road?

Not to mention the asset s we could get for Hank. Would you really want to protect a 38 year old Hank over a 24 year old Georgiev for the Expansion Draft?

A lot of decisions to be made. Of course, as usual, average goaltending. The King would fit in nicely there I think!! I noticed the shitty NHL officiating about 5 minutes into the first Ranger game. You get the point - it sucks and needs to be addressed but the idiots running the league are just that: The best part is no whistle so the other guy gets to go in on a breakaway. But thems the rules. Vic - I remember MZA doing something afterwards that garnered him the penalty The scrap was more of a humping than a thumping So, did anyone else notice the awful NHL officiating rearing its ugly head again last night at the end of the game?

So, who gets the penalty? If you said MZA you get a cookie! Yes, the victim is the only player penalized in the incident. The guy who threw the hit and the guy who jumped in to retaliate both get off with nothing. The depth of incompetence of the NHL officiating is staggering Chytil is staying, Gorton tells The Post.

Rhet0ric - You asked "Where does this condoning losing BS come from? And you're telling the league and your players that you're giving the hell up. Not at the deadline, where shit is pretty much decided And if you think that's a good idea, then we fundamentally disagree It's a young team that has talent and one that has been in most every game so far this year They're losing tight games. And games that for the most part have been fun to watch The day he signs a contract and agrees to cross the pond.

Not a minute earlier. I know there's been a lot of conjecture about him being the Hank's heir apparent. And I believe he even mentioned that he intends to come to the US next season Without him wearing a Ranger jersey? I ain't making moves for a guy playing halfway across the globe. He comes to the US next season and shows he's ready to be a full-time NHL starter, that's when I'd start talking about 'what to do with Hank' and not a minute earlier I also think that unless Hank wants to leave New York City for a chance at the cup Granted, I'd love to see what the Rangers would get from a team like the Canes or Blues I'd also love to see him retire in Blue What happens if the Rangers turn their ship around in a year and are contenders next season?

I continue to point to what Boston did in two short seasons. They're encountering some bumps this season My God, what the hell is wrong with Dolans?

Is he as tiny a man as is seems from the outside? If so, it must suck to work in his company - a culture of paranoia and control. He should be embarrassed Stop with the straw man arguments. Where did I say any of this crap that you accuse me of? How does getting rid of Hank equate to purging the team of all talent or that management will then condone losing? Are we as an organization better suited to have him starting the bulk of our games next season or at least splitting time with Igor Shestyorkin?

Who will be the future goaltender for this organization? Hank at 38 or Igor at 23? If the answer is Hank, then we seriously need to reconsider where we are rebuilding or not. We can make a bet right now that they won't. Not one of them. Not a single player over 25 from this team will be on the club. Steve, yes, i blame Hankie for the Ottawa loss. You don't need your goaltender to make every save.

Hankie, not so much. In game 2, he was brutal!!! Game 6 was just it.. Make apologies for all you want, but there is a reason why Rangers won in and why Rangers lost in , and and In Richter maid saves when needed. That penalty shot save was a highlight of the series. Can you say same thing about Hankie? I'm not taken anything away from Hank. He is the best home grown Ranger and maybe the best Ranger ever.

But i'm being honest here I had 2 family members work at the Garden for many, many years. The both saw a lot come and go. But, I've heard some fans call each other out not about the NYR and not on this site that I recall , on both sides of this. I honestly would never do either.

Feel the way you want to get yourself through the day. The team will win, or lose, regardless. Francesa has never really criticized Dolan.

Tdchi I agree , kid k is a prime example. The real problem with the nyr is the mighty Quinney getting them to listen and buy into his system, and get rid of their old bad habits.

It has to take at least 20 games. Ass vipe needed every season. So far they have shown some glimpses of getting it. And at least the games are a lot less boring than last season. And unfortunately unless they make a trade poink might have to join him along with Nieves and letteri. There will always be Hank blamers and haters. RDW - Totally agree. Team was like night and day. I honestly thought they had a chance after sinking Montreal.

Just a whole hell of a lot of meh. The other term that comes to mind is "flaccid. Rhet0ric - Shit flows downstream. You have management that condones losing, you'll have a coach who is fine with losing and you'll have a team that is OK with losing Starts at the top and works its way down.

The Rangers, as constructed, aren't a perfect team and will lose games You're telling everyone in the organization that it's cool to lose It's total fucking bullshit. And it's the message that so many fans now take to heart thanks to a rotten, miserable shitball franchise like the Penguins. Of course, these same fans also forget the Pens had Buttman in their pocket Losing is never acceptable. I don't care who the prize is at draft day.

What made the Ottawa series so hard to take was that they played with a real edge against Montreal the week before and then they completely went to shit. RDW - Me too! But I would be floored if he actually is moved I just don't see it happening Still, if Dregs is mentioning it How to dog it. You don't get better by playing beneath your level. The only reason to send either down is to elevate their confidence What they need now is to be challenged He's pretty much owning the league As for your other point If this was a full rebuild, guess what?

This fan fiction that they're going to sell the whole team and dress an embarrassing set of losers, has-beens and never-will-bes a la is just that This team is going to do its share of losing.

But where you're wrong is that they're going to throw in the towel. Certainly not now, less than a month into the season. I'll take Shatty to Toronto in a rickshaw if we can get a decent return for him NOW we're blaming the Ottawa loss I mean, let's gloss right by the fact that he didn't have any semblance of a defense in front of him. I'm not going to absolve him of his role in that loss Can't say that for anyone else on that team.

I actually like Shatty a lot more than I thought he would, but my opinion hasn't changed much Without a doubt if the Leafs are talking to the Rangers about Nylander, Skjei is in the package going the other way. If he can settle down, he'd be a great partner for Morgan Reilly.

Shea stadium is the likely target plus more to get nylander. I'd pretty much consider offering anyone up for Nylander aside from our young guys at this point. I'm assuming they are looking to potentially move Hayes, Spooner, Namestnikov, McQuaid, Zucc, along with several other guys if the return is right, by the trade deadline.

This team is probably going to look very different than it does now in six months. Getting a guy like Nylander would be huge IMO as far as speeding the rebuild up a little.

Especially if we're able to add someone like Panarin over the summer. Well, last night sure was fun. Let's start with the obvious. There should be no reasons why Chytil and Georgiev are on this club. No urgency to burn a year of the eligibility for the 19 year old kid. Chytil will be a 1st line winger one day. Not now and not this season. Probably, not next season either. Sent kid down to play 1st line winger minutes to get used to that role.

Howden seems to be a bit more mature, but i would also sent him down as well. Only thing they will learn this season on the big club is to how to get used to loosing. This is going to be a brutal year. This team will suck and suck badly. Right now they are still fighting. Let's be honest here. For all who wants to keep vets on this club, to teach "kids"?

I will ask this question. There are only three players on this club right that should remain on the club when rebuild is over in years. They are Pionk, Howden and Chytil. Rest of this team won't be around. Anyone over 25 is a goner. Now back to the point i was making for a year now. Hankie needs to go. He is the best home grown Ranger, and maybe best goaltender ever. He is welcome back to be a TV personality with the team.

He will get his number retired and will be a first ballot HFM. But if someone still think that selfish prima-donna bullshit stunts that he pulls every time team looses is beneficial to the team, then we will won't agree. It is time to go, buddy. Ask for a fucken trade and go. I'm tired of seeing stick smashing, team mate yelling, bullshit talks about how "We need to play better to win" after the game interviews.

Can't stand it anymore. I was done with Hankie when we lost the series with Ottawa when he could not make a save when we needed. Goals he gave up where brutal. Goals he gave to Kings were bad in the finals, but goals he gave up in Ottawa series, were horrible. Time to get another shot at winning with another club and i will be cheering for you. You deserve another shot at the cup..

If you all don't think that his antics impact this team, then you all mistaken. He is not embracing the rebuild. Problem is that nothing that team can do right now, accept to wait till Hankie asks for a trade. Till he does, this is going to get ugly. Spoonher should be their biggest problem. Good ole fishboy gave him a 2 year contract. I would flip this guy faster than a New York minute I've been watching it back to his days with the P-Bruins He'll look sick one minute There's almost no reason to have him on the team.

Flip him for a second rounder or midling prospect Georgiev in goal Tuesday. Beleskey now day to day. Claesson out weeks. Looks like ducking DeAngelo scratched tomorrow. Georgiev in nets tomorrow v Puddy Tats. The good news is there is talent in the system Andersson, Hajek and 2 to 5 others with possibilities in Hartford plus the 3 firsts from last June and Joey Keane and others from the recent draft class could emerge.

The bad news is they aren't ready yet and it will take up to 3 or 4 years for some to make a difference. That's why, I think, landing Nylander without trading away one of the young pieces is attracitve. Just how petty can James Dolan be? Great piece here by Andrew Marchand on Maggie vs. They seem to have a better "can do" attitude, but thus far there has not been enough "do" results.

Sure would like to see more talent than we've seen thus far. Quinn very loud today. E - The defensive system is much better this year, but still onkly works when th forwards back check and do their jobs--which MOST are trying to do As for the offense, it's pretty simple They started to attack the net and crease much more in the 3rd period last night all lines , that's what they have to do consistently to make up for the bemoaned top end scoring talent Givben what is around the NHL, this is nt a bottom 5 team and, if they pay the price and buy into what Quinn wants can be a team fighting for a PO spot I'll take that over tanking any day Looking forward to getting Belesky into the line-up.

AV would love coaching LA. One of the slowest teams in the NHL. Great skating Vancouver team, to a great skating NYR team, to a Kings team stuck in neutral half the game. I was keenly noticing the absence of a enough second effort shots. Not enough of it. And the way I saw a lot of offensive zone scheming was showing me that there was a message to be tighter and contest the neutral zone when the other team brings the puck up.

I think Calgary stole one last night. But I at least am seeing some semblance of order a lot more on the ice. But they gotta lose well and be competitive. Speaking of AV, rumblings starting that it might not be long before he's back coaching again. They've lost 4 in a row and are getting their asses kicked while doing so. In addition, the Blueshirts have assigned goaltender Marek Mazanec to Hartford. You are correct in saying that the right troops aren't in place for what the coach appears to want.

I've noticed a definite change in their play offensively in the past few games compared to the AV days: Way more shooting and going to the net. What they are struggling with is IMO an inability to get to the rebounds this has been a thee with this club for years now and a lack of overall top end skill to generate more quality chances.

Regarding the latter, think of the 2 goals Gaudreau scored - who on the Rangers is capable of that? Buch and Chytil perhaps but the former continues, for whatever reason, to play without a lot of passion it's like he's waiting for someone else to take the lead and the latter has so much to learn. After that, who is there?

Z has a great shot but someone has to get it to him. Kreider and Fast are hardly the setup wingers he needs. Hayes and Zuke have skill but as I posted last night they seem to be suffering the most by the coaching and style changes - 1 goal between them is ridiculous! Kind of hard to judge a system after all of eight games, but the team works hard and shows up for every game.

When was the last time we could say that about a NYR team? Certainly not AV's teams Outside of Pionk, Chytil and Howden, I'm not convinced that most of the other guys will even be here in three years. Has to be very disheartening for this team to throw 45 shots at the Flames back-up goalie and come up with only one goal

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