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Though I still date women my age and older! As usual, we need to get our definitions straight. There are three types of VYW:. This is the granddaddy of them all. In extreme cases these guys invade the clubs or college campuses to hit on younger women where they often look woefully out of place. While there are always unusual exceptions to every rule, this approach does not work.
It fails for a very simple reason: You are destroying the very thing these Type 2s crave. They want a 38 year-old guy who acts like a decently cool, non-creepy, 38 year-old guy. That will turn them on. Trust me, when you act your age, but are cool and non-creepy, Type 2 VYW are literally the easiest women to have sex with quickly.
Type 1s are horrified at the thought of having sex with men much older than they are. This is not ASD…no technique will bust through this. If she was a Type 1 you would have never gotten her pants off. These women will be more than happy to sleep with a much older man. I am the exact opposite of these act-younger guys. This is very, very good advice, I do this myself, and I recommend it to all men across the board….
This is the one exception to the rule. Younger women, even Type 2s, are hypersensitive about creepy older men, as well they should be for their own safety reasons. Instead of being a creepy older guy, you need to be a confident, safe older guy. Focus more on being confident, outcome independent, non-reactive, and classy.
Even if you have, be careful. I see way too many older guys who do have chances with younger women completely blow it by being too creepy, too verbally sexual, way too fast. Some older guys think they can wing it with their personal appearance and look just like a normal, every day guy just like they did back when they were These guys dress like nerds, have hair and grooming that look like crap, and worse, are often way too skinny or fat.
Back when you were 25, sure. You could dress like crap and not worry about your hair or your clothing too much, and still probably get laid. You must take care of your physical appearance more than you did when you were a younger dude. This includes your body and clothing. This does not mean you need to look like George Clooney. Good-looking older men really do rule the roost in a very real way.
Some older guys who would really like to date younger women, and be good for them , stop themselves because they have thoughts like…. These are all thoughts coming directly from Societal Programming. As such, these thoughts are all bullshit. I shall tackle each one:. There is absolutely nothing wrong, immoral, or unethical about dating a much younger woman provided these three things are true:.
Date all the younger women you want. There is nothing wrong or evil or immoral about it. Only when one of those three items above are not true do we start having serious problems. There are millions of younger women out there who are dying for a confident, non-creepy, much older man to sweep them off their feet.
Trust me, these women have a rough time. These gals hope beyond hope that someday they can find a non-creepy! True stat from my life: Sadly, there is some truth to this one. Many over women are going to be utterly furious at you. Other men your age, who are married to old, overweight, nonsexual wives may also be upset. I have two responses to this. The first one is…so what? The second answer to this is that no one said you need to get serious with these women.
If you simply want a younger woman as an occasional FB, go ahead. Date younger women in whatever capacity you desire. A relationship with a woman that young would never work. First, remember what I just said. Here are a few random examples from my life over the past years:. The longest consistent relationship I have ever had with a woman outside of my nine-year marriage was an almost five-year relationship with a woman I met when she was 19 that lasted until she was One of the most mentally rewarding relationships I ever had was with a woman I dated for about 2 years, while she was 19 and then She was extremely intelligent and amazingly mature for her age, and we had many long, detailed, philosophical discussions that were the equivalent level of discourse as when I date a woman in her 40s.
While this is certainly not the norm for that age range, there are many women out there like this. I have really been blown away by the quality of many younger women out there. And yes, many younger women are the opposite, and are indeed dumb bimbos. Keep those at the FB level. They can be fun too. Some of my most fun FBs were in the young dumb bimbo category. Unless you choose to live a monogamous lifestyle cough!
No reason to limit yourself to one or the other. My guess is that quick sex will just become rarer as you age as longer courtships are part of the process. My point with this is that it seems that what makes the Poly lifestyle possible is the fact that girls in their 20s but especially between are in no rush to settle down.
Its their openness, which declines with age, that makes the poly lifestyle possible. Hefner is constantly doing this with something women. But for the rest of us? I still talk about sex and do all the usual stuff. I just dial it down a little. I let her guide me as to how sexual or not she wishes to become in conversation, rather than forcefully taking charge of the conversation as I usually do.
But I will still attempt all the usual sexual talk, etc. Once I get to age then I may make small calibrations based on what I said above. I already deal with them now. Like I said, I have a woman in my life right now who is Working on another who is Just follow rule number one: That means if you want women over 33 you should meet them within your social circle instead of daygame or on a dating site.
No getting around that. Honestly, the only difference is that the women I date tend to be even hotter than before. I know plenty of men well into their 50s who have relationships like this, both with much younger women and women over I still need to lie on the dating sites though to get round their stupid age restrictions. Is this a serious problem any of you have run into? As an intelligent older male, what do you suggest fluff talking about?
Most women under 30 even if college educated are dumb as rocks and convo can be challenging. I suppose it could be my approaches are actually warmer than I think and these women already have the hots for me. Do you experience a lot of variability in this or is it a pretty hard and fast rule with you regarding speed to sex and over 33?
If you do see variability do you have a hunch as to the causes? The same things I talk about with older women. In general my first-date conversation flows from random stuff safe topics like family, work, etc , to her past relationships, to sex. Feel free to screen for more intelligent women if you wish, but I would never do that.
I want to have sex with hot chicks…categorizing the relationship based on her intellect comes later. BD, I just clicked the link and read your old post about not screening women. Nice Guy says many men are afraid to start anything with a woman, because many men are confused about their options on how to end things with a woman without undue guilt, regret, etc. This is why the vast majority of monogamous relationships are initiated by the man, not the woman. Now 3 years later, I have another 18 year old throwing me IOIs, discussing her past flings, inviting me to hang out with strange excuses.
She asked about my past girls and I just told her:
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In Black Lagoon , dangerous and very violent Revy becomes gradually attracted to the decent, kind and caring Rock, even though she hates to admit it. However in "Roberta's Blood Trail", Rock is becoming more callous and manipulative, and it's suggested the reason Revy isn't pushing the relationship is because she's afraid of being disillusioned about him. Later, it's revealed that they met in one of the darkest moments of her life when her brother and caretaker died , leaving her alone in the world , and a while later they got to actually know each other as they became classmates.
From then on, and especially after all the adventures that the True Companions have gone through including a Rescue Arc where they fought to rescue her , Orihime considers Ichigo as the person who allowed her to develop her Barrier Warrior powers and, as she tells Riruka, "saved" her. The thirteen brothers from Brothers Conflict all like the heroine, Ema Hinata, because of her kindness and Ema falls for one of them depending on the route chosen because they are all good if flawed men who promise their undying love for her.
Inside and outside the soccer fields, Tsubasa Ohzora is a Humble Hero and a very kind-hearted guy. No wonder Sanae and Kumi and lots of nameless fangirls, in the TV series fall in love with him. The pilot manga chapter directly alluded to this trope. Genzo openly declared his love for Aki, but she apologized and turned him down because she already was in love with Taro. Koujiro Hyuuga started as a Jerk Ass who slowly evolved to a Jerk with a Heart of Gold , but what made his prospect girlfriend Maki Akamine fall for him was how he supported her in her budding career and gave her a Cooldown Hug when her team lost badly.
Played with in DEAD Tube , during the 48 hours of filming Mashiro requested from Machiya, she teased him with many cases in which his hormones and urges could get the best of him: This of course might be only a part of her reason, or it is a farce altogether, Mashiro knows Machiya is thrilled about murders and she likes to perform said actions, the two are a match made in heaven or hell.
Her best friend Ran Mouri likes Amateur Sleuth Shinichi Kudou who is very protective of his loved ones and has a strong sense of justice And unbeknownst to them, he's living with her Some people have wondered why Ran would like a guy like Shinichi Well, in a private discussion with Conan aka Shinichi himself , Ran stated that while he may have an unpleasant personality , he's also brave and someone you can rely on in a pinch.
In fact, Ran first realized she was in love with him when he helped save a Serial Killer from falling to his death. When asked by the said killer why he [Shinichi] would even consider doing such an act, Shinichi responded with: Her next boyfriend was Nice Guy Tim Drake Robin III , Red Robin III who took care of her during her pregnancy, brought her to birthing classes, and even crossed hundred of miles in one night just to see her at the hospital during her labour.
Blacksad has Alma Mayer who simply wants a man who will be dedicated enough to bring her to Niagara Falls. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Diamondback, a villainess member of the Serpent Society, dated Captain America and offered to drop crime for him on their first meeting.
She took awhile getting around to it, but she did do it. Although Catwoman sometimes gets sick of Batman 's sense of honor, she is in love with him because of his righteousness and kindness towards her.
Earth-2 Catwoman fell for Batman after she had reformed — this was not a Love Redeems situation. Batman is an odd one: The Invisible Woman always chooses to remain with her husband, Mr. Fantastic , instead of indulging in her physical attraction to Namor the Sub-Mariner.
In Jennifer Blood , the title character fell in love with and married a mild-mannered, goofy, and good-natured accountant precisely because he was the opposite of every man — all hardened ruthless criminals — she had ever known in her life. In her own words, her husband is the kind of man her evil uncles would have dismissed as "weak", because he's the kind of man who makes society work instead of preying on it.
Dick Grayson has had quite a ridiculous number of women in the DC Universe fall in love with him, sometimes unintentionally on his part just for being a Nice Guy. Supergirl once spontaneously made out with him, all because he made a speech about being a good teammate.
Scott Pilgrim has a variation of sorts. Scott is not the best person and is prone to being Innocently Insensitive , impulsive and flat-out making dumb decisions. All in all, he's a pretty flawed human being. However, he is ultimately a decent and nice guy while functioning as The Heart of his group of friends. It's this reason that Ramona ends up being with him. She even calls him the nicest guy she's been with and the fact that he is learning to recognize his mistakes and improve on himself is what seperates him from the other exes while also motivating Ramona to do the same.
This extends to Scott's relationship wth his ex-girlfriends. His first girlfriend, Kim Pine, has known him the longest of their circle of friends and despite the abrupt end of their relationship due to Scott having to move, though Scott mishandled on telling her , she still cares plenty about Scott with implications she still has strong feelings for him though masks it with her grumpiness and snarkiness.
Also the basis for Scott and Knives being together; while the ending of their relationship was ultimately Scott's fault, they were happy during the time they were together and Scott was a good and attentive boyfriend for her, it's why Knives still has strong feelings for Scott. Gender Inverted example as well since all of Scott's past girlfriends were all decent women at heart, including Ramona depsite being rough around the edges like Scott was.
Conversed regarding Scott with Natalie a. Envy; he liked her because she was a nice girl and they shared interests. Their relationship began to declne when she began to change Having joined Scott and Stephen's band, Kid Chameleon, her talenet brought plenty of newfound fame and success to the band, which led to her changing her image, usurping control of the band while adding in more people, dismissing the opinions of the rest of the band members especially with their rise in fame and becoming more aloof and uncaring in her relationship with Scott.
Ultimately, while Scott instigated the actual argument that spelled the end of their relationship which he did not remember, Stephen claims he got drunk, which presumably is why , the change from Natalie to Envy was the main force in their relationship ending.
Spider-Man has attracted plenty of cynical women in Marvel due to his nice and heroic personality. This includes Black Cat a thief , Ms. As told in Young Love: I'd had other boyfriends He was sweet, and he loved me. Some girls go for that sort of thing. I just want something normal. Asuka fell in love with Shinji because he was nice, good-natured, and he occasionally might be brave, determined and selfless: She could admit it now, in a slightly more self-conscious part of her mind.
He was kind of cute. He was polite and self-effacing to the point it could drive her nuts, but he was also kind, gentle, and could be stupidly brave to almost ridiculous lengths when protecting others. No one's ever done anything even close to that for me. He sometimes showed a spark of energy and anger when she'd pushed at him that secretly thrilled her, the way he would react to her, pushing to match her, making her push just as hard to stay ahead of him.
He made her feel alive. He'd renewed his promise this morning, when he must have thought she was asleep. He wasn't just saying things for her to hear. And now he wanted to be with her. She kisses his cheek. You're always honest with me, even when I'm mean to you However hard she'd tried to tell herself otherwise after that kiss, which with the benefit of bitter hindsight she knew she'd botched just as badly as he had.
He was patient and loyal and brave and selfless and all the things she should have said, but couldn't because she was scared of rejection, a rejection that had never happened.
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In "The Golden Bird" , the prince who brings back the golden bird for his father also brings back a princess; when his brothers try to kill him and threaten her, she does not stop grieving until the prince returns alive. In some versions, the other brothers try to force the princess to marry one of them. She keeps them away by clawing at the eyes of whoever comes near her, but quickly recognizes the youngest brother when no one else does and welcomes him back.
In "The Golden Mermaid" , the mermaid refuses to leave the body of the murdered youngest son, who actually carried out The Quest , even when his older brothers threaten her.
The Book of Life: Maria wants to be listened to and loved for more than just her looks, as she demonstrates when she gets annoyed with Joaquin for not understanding this. It's only when Joaquin shows his true self that she agrees to seriously think about his proposal. Ultimately, Maria falls in love with Manolo, the humble , sweet musician who promises to never stop loving her. In fact, the first indications she gets her Love Epiphany is when he publicly refuses to kill the bull.
Heavily implied with La Muerte. In the opening, she sadly tells Xibalba he's not the man she fell in love with years ago. Plus, she only gets back with Xibalba when he admits his mistake in his past actions and apologizes. This is a staple of Disney Princess movies. The princes might be rather bland especially the early ones , but one cannot deny that they are good people who love the heroines. Even in the case of Beast , Naveen , and Flynn Rider , who all start off as jerks, the respective princesses don't fall for them until they undergo Character Development and become better people.
Princess Jasmine in Aladdin isn't interested in the rich, pompous suitors who just want to marry her to become sultan. Instead, she falls in love with the poor but kindhearted Aladdin after he rescues her from an angry vendor. They bond over feeling trapped by their circumstances and Aladdin is the first to ever treat her like a person rather than an object to use for politics.
When Aladdin puts on a rich prince act to try and impress her, she rejects him but when he starts to be himself, she realizes he's the boy she fell in love with in the marketplace. Even when it's discovered he's not a prince, she confesses her love for him.
Beret Girl in An Extremely Goofy Movie greatly prefers the meek Gentle Giant , PJ, to his forward and slightly obnoxious friend, Bobby , with any potential disadvantages to his physical appearance being glossed over despite his beliefs they wouldn't be. Their relationship ends up being based mostly on conversations with some cuddling. From Dinosaur , Neera likes Aladar because of his compassionate ways to the weaker herd members.
It takes a bit for Calhoun to warm up to him , but they end up Happily Married. Anna falls for Prince Hans because she believes him to be a Nice Guy who doesn't want to shut her out. Later, realizing he isn't as good a person as she thought, she finds love with Kristoff, who turns out to be a more caring person than she realized. Marianne dumped Roland when she caught him cheating on her Marianne starts falling for the Bog King after he shows his more sweeter side.
Ericka Van Helsing was raised by her great-grandfather to kill Dracula, believing all monsters were evil and need to be destroyed. After her failed attempts to kill Dracula, she unwitting starts to warm up to him seeing him play with his family. During their date, where she tried to poison him with garlic, he opens up about losing his wife and raising his daughter on his own since she was a baby, causing her to begin realizing he's not the evil she was raised to think he was.
By the end of the film, she reciprocates his feelings for her. Hiccup is an All-Loving Hero , and Astrid explicitly stated in "Thawfest Games" that one of the things she admired most about him was modesty in defeat.
Marina from The Pebble and the Penguin has two suitors, the dorky but sweethearted Hubie and the muscular but arrogant Drake. She falls for Hubie instead. Fiona from Shrek , though she was at first dismissive of Shrek for being an ogre and not the handsome prince charming she expected, she later warms up to him after eavesdropping on his conversation with Donkey and hearing him legitimately hurt about how the world treats him just because he is an ogre. They later fall in love. In The Adventures of Robin Hood , Maid Marian is quite cold to Robin despite his obvious charm, until he reveals that he is acting on behalf of the suffering innocent.
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Happens in all of Alex Flinn's fairy tale novels. Beastly , being a retelling of " Beauty and the Beast ", has Lindy only develop feelings for the cursed Kyle after he shows genuine affection for her. A Kiss in Time has Talia end up undergoing some Character Development and loving the modern-day guy who kissed her awake, because he helped her out while she was in a strange place and treated her like a capable person instead of being treated like a baby, as everyone else did.
In Cloaked , the adorkable shoemaker Johnny has a number of girls fall for him, one of which is a beautiful princess though she later admits that while she cares for him, she doesn't actually want to marry him.
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Dresden Files Margaret La Fey ultimately found happiness with Malcolm Dresden, who is always described as a genuinely good guy. And Charity fell in love with Michael, a compassionate, responsible Christian whose job is literally to fight evil after he saved her life when they were teenagers.
By the series' beginning, they are very Happily Married. This is the reason a number of women fall for Dresden himself, even though he'd dispute his characterization as a "good man". Edgar Rice Burroughs 's heroines chose the hero for his heroic traits — eventually. Culture Clash and misunderstandings complicate matters even on top of their usual Damsel in Distress separations.
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In fact, this is a trend throughout the series. Arthur and Molly Weasley must count - they're into each other enough to have seven children! Lily Potter is an interesting example. Her friendship with Snape fell apart due to his inclination toward the Dark Arts and that he made friends with some nasty people.
On the other hand, she was greatly irritated with James because he was an arrogant show-off and the intensely antagonistic relationship with her best friend at the time, Snape.
A theory is that Lily may be a Sweet-type Tsundere generally sweet, but set off easily by their target of affection as she went from disliking him in their fifth year to dating him by their seventh, indicating most of their relationship progress occured in sixth year. In fact, one brief moment has Harry smiling at the flashback of his dad being hoisted by teammmates for winning the match much like Ron was in the present ; Lily was present also there, rolling her eyes yet also indicating she was smiling.
Harry himself is a pretty nice guy, and Ginny has feelings for him for six books, before they finally hook up. Meanwhile, it's hinted that her crush on him only got stronger after he saved her life at the end of Chamber of Secrets. In Heart of Steel , Julia is initially put off by Alistair's scars, cyborg implants, and habit of coming on way too strong, but she starts to grow fond of him when she sees his human side, how dedicated he is to her safety, and how much he's willing to risk to make her happy.
In Poul Anderson and Gordon R. Dickson 's Hoka story "Don Jones", Doraleen sneers at Terwillinger as a stuffed shirt — until he defies Jones's attempt at Blackmail — whereupon she persuades him not to punish Jones because after all Jones and Tanni are in love, just like the two of them. Miss Katherine, who fell for Sam the onion man because he was a generally friendly Nice Guy , compared to Trout Walker, who was rich, disrespectful, loud, and stupid.
It doesn't end well for them, alas. Sarah, who married the sweet Eliya Yelnats despite the fact that he was apparently cursed. Eliya himself could be considered a Gender Inverted version, since he initially pursued the spoilt, idiotic Myra and ended up Happily Married to the sensible and capable Sarah.
Coltraine and Alex Ricker had an All Girls Want Bad Boys relationship, but she broke that off, and got together with Li Morris, the relationship of which clearly has this trope written all over it.
Pride and Prejudice , while Darcy's apparent arrogance puts Elizabeth off, she is won over by the revelation of his actual dealings with Wickham, the testimony of his servants , and his generosity to her family when Lydia elopes.
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